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AGENDA
Oro Valley Historic Preservation Commission
Monday, October 6, 2008
Town of Oro Valley Council Chambers
11000 N. La Canada Drive
I. Call to Order: at or after 5:00 p.m.
II. Roll Call.
III. Call to the Audience.
IV. Approval of Minutes.
V. Presentation by Marty McCune and Jerry Kyle, Skylark Consulting, re: Cultural
Resource Survey for Town of Oro Valley.
VI. Discussion and possible action regarding Steam Pump Ranch.
VII. Discussion and possible action regarding protocol for confidential information.
VIII. Discussion of Arroyo Grande cultural resources.
IX. Discussion of Honey Bee Village.
X. Discussion and possible action regarding HPC Work Plan.
a. CLG Application
b. Cultural Resource Inventory Plan
c. Budget
d. Community Outreach
e. Process Plan for Historic Designation
f. Training
g. Santa Cruz Heritage Alliance
XI. Discussion and possible action regarding National Alliance of Preservation
Commissions.
XII. Announcements.
XIII. Items for future agendas.
XIV. Adjourn.
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APPROVED MINUTES
ORO VALLEY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
SPECIAL SESSION
October 6, 2008
ORO VALLEY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
11000 N. LA CANADA DRIVE
I. Call to Order: at 5:02 p.m.
IL Roll Call.
PRESENT:
Chair Bob Baughman
Vice Chair Daniel Zwiener
Commissioner Pat Spoerl
Commissioner Patrick Foley
Commissioner Valerie Pullara
Commissioner Lois Nagy
Also Present:
Mayor Paul Loomis
Council Member Salette Latas
Scott Nelson, Special Projects Coordinator
Mike Spaeth, Planner
Sarah More, Planning and Zoning Director
Diane Chapman, Senior Office Specialist
III. Call to the Audience.
Bill Adler, Oro Valley resident spoke about creating a sustainable community from the
standpoint of matching successfully the 3 components of mixed use: residential with retail
with employment. Mixed use projects are rarely if ever successful. Demographics are not
matched up well, thus it falls apart. All citizens need to be aware of this. He
encouraged the Historic Preservation Commission (HPC) to attend the Planning
Commission meeting tomorrow night where this item will be on the agenda. There is an
area within the 9,100 acres of Arroyo Grande that is considered to have significant
archaeological value and is referred to as a cultural preserve.
IV. Approval of Minutes.
Mr. Nelson said there was a recommendation at the last meeting for Ms. Spoerl and Ms.
Chapman to go over the minutes prior to approval. He asked that last month's and this
month's minutes be carried over for approval at next month's meeting.
V. Presentation by Marty McCune and Jerry Kyle, Skylark Consulting, re: Cultural
Resource Survey for Town of Oro Valley.
Marty McCune and Jerry Kyle, Skylark Consulting, gave a presentation on cultural
resource surveys. They talked about what a cultural resource survey is and its importance
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to the community. product Their is an inventory of resources and priorities for treatment. A
cultural resource surveyis a means to identify, evaluate and protect cultural
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Theprocess involves public volunteers and professionals. It is a process of
resources
gatheringanalyzing data, anal zin and interpreting it, and making it part of a comprehensive plan.
Steps involved are:
- Identification: looking at what you have, where it is, the time periods, and the relationship
of the resources to historic context.
- Evaluation: how to determine what is important.
- Treatment: protection priorities, policies, tools, funding, and uses.
Thep rocess includes a field survey which is a physical search for and recording of the
cultural resources on the ground. It includes planning and background research,
organization and presentation of survey data, and development of inventories.
The benefits enable you to be forward looking and proactive in your preservation program
and identifies areas where preservation needs to take place. It increases public
awareness and appreciation for historic resources. It gives the opportunity to assess a
wide variety of resources, such as landscapes, cemeteries, parks, ranches, etc.
National Register of Historic Places criteria:
- 50 years old
Meets one or more of:
- associated with events that contributed to broad patterns of history
- associated with significant persons
- architecture
- yields or will yield important information
Historic Context:
- helps weave survey work together
- provides historical background
- identifies resource types that can be expected to be found
- provides a framework for setting priorities
- assists in planning survey work
There are two levels of survey activity:
- Reconnaissance: a broad overview of the community and resources, and focuses on
identification of what is there.
- Intensive survey: getting into more of an evaluation mode of the identified resources.
Products from the survey:
- Maps
- Reports
- Detailed inventories of resources
- Recommendations for treatment and protection
- General historical information about the community
Tips:
- Keep it simple
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- Use an inventory form
- Get good advice and assistance
- Evaluate, revise, and update
- Keep it up to date
Chair Baughman added a final step: circulate, take to schools, library, etc.
Vice Chair Zwiener and Commissioners Spoerl and Nagy are working on an RFP and
developing samples.
VI. Discussion andp ossible action regarding Steam Pump Ranch (SPR).
Regarding the historicalgarden, the major thing the Historical Society has done is contact
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people involved in water conservation and harvesting. Pima County will not propose a
bondacka e for 2009. There are concerns about access and safety, so Mr.
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Nelson'spreference is to proceed with the garden project to keep people involved, but do
it offsite rather than at the Ranch for now. It will be a board decision.
Mr. Nelson said when this was first talked about, it looked like we would have a bond
package.e. With the economy, it may not happen soon. If we allow limited access, other
s will want to have access also. The site is not safe. The gardens may be able to be
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started elsewhere on Town property and later moved when the site is ready. There are
still educational opportunities to keep the interest level alive.
It will have tog o to Council soon if it is going to be on Steam Pump Ranch. If elsewhere,
and still be ap ioneer garden, there may not be the interest in HPC being involved.
Chair Baughman suggested continuing this agenda item to the next meeting.
there was a communitygarden originally planned between the library and
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the Community Development building, which may be a possible area for the gardens.
Naranja Town site is another possibility.
Mr. Nelson added we researched how the master plan was accepted. The language
allows the Town Manager to make decisions on the site as long as it is in the master plan
and as funding becomes available. The Town Council should also be kept informed.
Chair Baughman asked for a member of the Commission to research the possibility of
using Steam Pump Ranch as an Arizona Centennial project. Vice Chair
Zwiener volunteered and will report back at the next meeting.
Nelsongave a brief update on SPR. The emergency stabilization and clean up
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continues. The motor and gearing was replaced on the gate. ADOT Transportation
Enhancement Grant will be heard before the State board this week and we should know
something by the end of this week.
The consultant forwarded a draft for the National Register Nomination, which was sent via
email to the HPC. It will need to be sent to the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO)
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with a letter from either staff or the Commission for their comment. This should happen
this month. Chair Baughman asked that this go on the agenda for the next month.
VII. Discussion and possible action regarding protocol for confidential information.
There are cultural resources at Arroyo Grande that have been identified. HPC should
develop an interest in that area once Arroyo Grande is annexed. Documents that come
to HPC arep ublic documents and some kind of protocol needs to be in place that
addresses confidentiality to provide protection of cultural resource sites from the public. A
memo was distributed from Attorney Mack about confidentiality. Cultural sites and privacy
issues need to be addressed. Mr. Nelson and Attorney Mack, Vice Chair Zwiener and
Chair Baughman will work on developing a draft to bring to the next meeting to prepare an
amendment to the operating rules to send to Council for approval.
Chair Baughman asked this be put on the next agenda.
VIII. Discussion of Arroyo Grande cultural resources.
The Planning and Zoning Commission meeting regarding Arroyo Grande will be on 10/7, at
6 p.m. in the Council Chambers.
Commissioner Spoerl said the sooner the HPC considered what is known about cultural
resources in AG the better and it should not wait until annexation.
Council Member Latas said Arroyo Grande information is on line. The Planning and
Zoning Commission will be considering the recommendation to Town Council of whether to
accept the GP amendment. There is a section in special area policies dealing with cultural
resources.
Mr. Nelson pointed out this amendment is a request to change the GP as it exists
today. There will be many opportunities for HPC to get involved. At this level it involves
Planning and Zoning and Town Council.
IX. Discussion of Honey Bee Village.
Continued to next meeting.
X. Discussion and possible action regarding HPC Work Plan.
a. CLG Application
SHPO had misplaced the CLG application, but finally found it and it will be going to
Washington DC. We should receive a letter soon.
b. Cultural Resource Inventory Plan
c. Budget
d. Community Outreach
Commissioner Pullara has contacted schools to see what they are doing now and what
they would like to see done. Citizens Planning Institute has some great material that may
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be used. She is putting together a plan and will share when ready.
Chair Baughman cautioned that in contacting schools and other bodies, consider the plan
with HPC before outside contacts are made.
e. Process Plan for Historic Designation
f. Training
Commissioner Foley had no report at this point. He and Mr. Nelson will look at possibilities
for training.
g. Santa Cruz Heritage Alliance
Commissioner Pullara reported the next meeting is November 7th in Green Valley and she
will be attending.
Xl. Discussion and possible action regarding National Alliance of Preservation
Commissions.
Items X and XI will continue to be on the agenda.
XII. Announcements.
- Michael Spaeth, Planner, will be assisting Mr. Nelson with HPC.
- A letter was received in mid-September that the AZ chapter of the American Planning
Association had selected Steam Pump Ranch Master Plan as the best historic landmark
planning category for this year. Mr. Nelson will be going to Yuma to accept the award on
11/6.
- Commissioner Nagy talked about Hohokam petro glyphs and distributed a handout that
will bep ublished and may be of value to HPC to evaluate in the future.
XIII. Items for future agendas.
There are no other items for future agendas other than those discussed above.
XIV. Adjourn.
MOTION: Commissioner Nagy MOVED to adjourn the Historic Preservation
Commission, Vice Chair Zwiener seconded the motion. Motion carried 6:0. The
meeting closed at 6:50 p.m.
Prepared by:
Diane Chapman
Senior Office Specialist
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Office of the Town Attorney
MEMORANDUM
To: Historic Preservation Commission
Fro exa Mack,Assistant Civil Attorney
Re: Protocol for confidential information
Date: October 6,2008
Item VII on tonight's agenda is a discussion regarding developing a protocol for
handling confidential information. I have spoken briefly with Chair Baughman about this
issue, but as I am unable to attend the meeting tonight I wanted to provide some initial
thoughts and comments to aid your discussion. As I understand the issue, concerns have been
raised that in the process of discussing significant cultural and historic resources,the locations
of those resources will become public and therefore endanger their safety and integrity. As
you may imagine, this issue implicates Arizona Public Records law as well as the Open
Meeting law. At this time,the Town has no formal policy or protocol for dealing with public
records requests outside of following state statute and the accompanying case law. For the
most part, decisions on what actions are taken regarding sensitive public records requests are
left to the Town Manager,with the advice of the Town Attorney.
While thinking over the possibility of developing a policy for the Historic Preservation
Commission to deal with confidential information, several issues came to mind. First and
foremost,I think it is important to point out that there is no provision under the law that would
exempt documents produced by or for the HPC from the public records law. To illustrate this
point I will use an easy example: opinions of the Town Attorney. Although confidential and
attorney-client privileged, such opinions are still considered "public records". Were someone
to make a public records request for an opinion of the Town Attorney,the record would have
to be examined to see if any of the information was, in fact, not privileged and could be
released after the rest of the document had been redacted.
Documents used by HPC to discuss or examine cultural or historic resources would be
public records. In order for information contained within those documents to be withheld, it
would have to fall into one of the three, case law created, exceptions to the law: privacy
interests, otherwise confidential information, or information that would be detrimental to the
best interests of the Town should it be released. It may be that some of the information at issue
here would fall into the latter category,but it should be evaluated on a case by case basis. ,
The other concern I had with developing a policy on confidential information was how
it would play with the Open Meeting law requirements. As you are all aware, any
communication between more than three of you that involves an issue before the Commission
is an Open Meeting law violation. Therefore, there should not be memos between the
Commission Members circulating. Memos from staff to the Commission are permissible, but
again would fall into the category of "public records". Any discussion of culturally or
historically significant sites would need to occur at a public meeting, and none of the
executive session exceptions are particularly appropriate in this situation. Likewise, any site
tours conducted would have to be noticed, including the location. For the immediate future,
the most prudent course of action may be to focus discussions of significant sites on the
"what"and not the"where".
These are some preliminary thoughts for your use in your discussion this evening. I
would be happy to discuss this issue in more depth at a later time.
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PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE
Tumamoc Hill Redux
think it was Yogi Berracrcf4 This project is helping build the
who said,"It's not over, case for preservation of Tumamoc
until it's over." The AAHS Hill.Additionally,it provides infor-
Rock Art Recording Project mation that will serve as the baseline
has reconfirmed this truism. for monitoring the condition of the
As you may recall we began a rock art for years to come. Beyond
project in November 2006 to record this,we hope new information from
all rock art and modern graffiti on the project will enhance understand-
Tumamoc Hill in Tucson.The project ing of the people who created the rock
has gone very well,but as it turns out art.We anticipate completing field-
there is more to be done. work this calendar year,and shortly
Thus far,we have recorded well thereafter,will prepare a final report
over 600 prehistoric petroglyphs. and probably other publications as
That is substantially more than re- well.
corded previously,but we know we The project has been good for
have not recorded everything. We AAHS.Since its inception,25 volun-
don't think there is much more rock teers have contributed a total of more
art to be found,but this fall,we are than 2,000 hours to the project.Some
returning to the field for a third sea- people have worked in the field for
son to complete the work.Our record- both field seasons,while others have
ing is very thorough and includes participated for a more limited term.
detailed descriptions of the rock art, All,however,have given something
it's condition, several quantitative to the project and, I believe, have
measures, GPS coordinates, photo- gained something in return. To be
graphs, and sketches documenting honest, those of us.returning to the
details and locations of the rock art. field this year can hardly wait to get
We have also recorded more than started.
.300 instances of modern graffiti on So,it's not over — but it will be
Tumamoc Hill.Again,we know we soon. But then again, it will never
have not recorded all the graffiti,so really be over because preserving
this year we will complete that work Tumamoc Hill will require ongoing
as well.We are recording graffiti with commitment and specific programs
the same thoroughness as the prehis- to ensure that its integrity is main-
toric panels to clearly document cur- tamed. And as scientific methods
rent conditions at Tumamoc Hill. improve,there may be new reasons
Graffiti has been produced at Tu- to return to Tumamoc to learn more
mamoc for a long time and,regretta- about the prehistory of Tucson.
bly,still is today. —Peter Boyle,President
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