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PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR SESSION
June 6, 2006
TOWN COUNCIL CHAMBERS
11000 NORTH LA CANADA DRIVE
Regular Session at 6:00 p.m.
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
PRESENT: Acting Chair, Don Manross
Commissioner Bill Adler
Commissioner Teree Bergman
Commissioner Ray Paolino
Commissioner Honey Pivirotto
EXCUSED: Chair Pete Bistany
Vice Chair Doug McKee
Also Present: Paul Loomis, Mayor
K.C. Carter, Council Member
Barry Gillaspie, Council Member
Sarah More, Planning and Zoning Administrator
Joe Andrews, Civil Attorney
David Ronquillo, Senior Planner
3. Call to the Audience (Non Agenda Items Only) opened and closed at 6:01 p.m.
There were no speakers.
4. Minutes
MOTION: Commissioner Adler MOVED to approve the May 2, 2006, Planning
and Zoning Commission regular meeting minutes as presented. Commissioner
Pivirotto seconded the motion. Motion carried 5 yes, 0 no.
5. Public Hearing: OV8-06-01, Brinker Restaurant Corporation, representing
Evergreen - Steam Pump LLC., requests approval of a conditional use permit for Chili's
Restaurant to allow the sale of liquor, located within Phase II of the Steam Pump Village
Development at the intersection of Oracle Road and Hanley Boulevard, Parcel 220-08-
001V.
A Development Plan has been previously approved for Phase I and II. The zoning is
Steam Pump Village Planned Area Development.
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Ms. More said the applicant is from a corporation out of Texas and was unable to attend
the meeting.
Mr. Ronquillo gave the staff report.
Mr. Ronquillo responded to Commissioner Adler's question that Chili's Restaurant did not
have an outdoor patio area. The only thing towards the front part of the restaurant is a
waiting area with benches.
Commissioner Adler asked what Chili's proximity is to the Steinway Performance
Amphitheater.
Mr. Ronquillo said it is not immediately adjacent, but probably about 100 to 150 feet away.
Commissioner Paolino asked what the relationship is between our approval or disapproval
of the conditional use application and the applicant's application for a license with the State
Liquor Board.
Ms. More said the Commission's decision on the CUP would be part of the
recommendation to the Town Council. The Council then makes a recommendation to the
State Liquor Board.
PUBLIC HEARING opened and closed at 6:10 p.m. there were no speakers:
MOTION: Commissioner Adler MOVED to approve OV8-06-01, conditional use.
permit for Chili's restaurant to allow the sale of liquor. Commissioner Paolino
seconded the motion. Motion carried 5 yes, 0 no.
6. OV11-06-01, The Planning Center, representing the Estes Company, requests to
initiate a General Plan Amendment to change the existing land use designation from Rural
Low Density Residential (0-0.3) DU/acre to Low Density Residential (1.3-2.0) DU/acre,
located on the north side of Rancho Felix Drive between Overton Road and La Canada
Drive, Parcels 225-06-0020 and 224-39-0240
The subject property consists of approximately 66 acres and the existing zoning is R1-144,
Rural Low Density Residential (one residence for every 144,000 square feet).
Applicant Mike Grassinger, The Planning Center, 110 S. Church, introduced himself and
stated that the owner, William Estes, was present to assist in answering questions.
Commissioner Adler called for a Point of Order. What the Commission is discussing is the
initiation. We are not actually discussing the merits of the amendment.
Mr. Grassinger said the property is located just west of La Canada Drive on the south side
of the Canada Del Oro Wash. It is currently vacant. Rancho Feliz Drive runs along the
southeastern boundary of the property. There has been off road vehicles and wildcat
dumping on the property. It has been fairly heavily disturbed over the years. It is subject
to flood plain and is a property that has problems is terms of safety and enforcement.
Development of the property is in the interests of the community.
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The current comprehensive plan splits the property into two parcels. The southern portion
is currently designated for low density residential, 2.0 units per acre, and the northern
portion for low density residential, 0.3 units per acre. The applicant doesn't understand
why that division was made nor why it was made where it is. There seems to be no
physical characteristics which support that particular division.
Unfortunately our client was unable to address site specific properties during the recent
General Plan update. That is one of the reasons applicant is asking for the initiation of an
amendment, so we will be able to plan for the property as recommended in the General
Plan under a planned development as something that is consistent and does not have
artificial boundary lines. The request itself is about 85.5 acres, but only 66 acres are
actually up for the request for the initiation of the amendment. The intent is to develop the
property as single family residential. Bank protection would be included along the Canada
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Del Oro, mirroring the bank protection that is across the wash to the north. The property
would then be able to be taken out of the flood plan and developed in an economically
suitable manner, and in a manner that would benefit the Town by providing a stable
population base and good opportunities for management of the property as well as
development. Legal access would be provided across the property to the CDO Wash for
adjacent residents so they could get to the wash. River Park would be extended along the
boundary and at least 30% of the property would remain in an open space configuration.
The vegetation on the property is not extremely high quality and would be enhanced in
terms of the open space corridors through the property. 8
The applicant had a neighborhood meeting last Thursday. About 30 people attendedfrom
the surrounding property owners. There was- a good exchange of information and ideas
ranging from thinking the Town should purchase this property and turn it into a park, to
they don't have a problem with this particular development as long as the developer lives
up to their commitments. A preliminary concept plan was presented at that meeting.
Ms. More stated that Mr. Paul Keesler from Public Works engineering was present if the
Commissioners had questions for him.
Mr. Ronquillo gave the staff report.
Commissioner Pivirotto asked why this information was not introduced during the General
Plan process and what the background was for that.
Commissioner Bergman answered Commissioner Pivirotto's question stating that both she
and Mr. Adler were part of that process. During the General Plan meetings a decision was
made that no changes to the land use plan would be made by that committee. Any
amendments to the land use plan that had been laid out would be done through the
process being proposed here, so there would be a public hearing and all of the due
process steps would be followed, rather than having a committee doing that outside of the
public hearing process.
Commissioner Adler added that this property was exhaustively reviewed during the initial
General Plan review process with the Steering Committee that was formed in the 2002-
2003 process, as distinct from the Revision Committee that Commissioner Bergman is
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referring to. This property and all information regarding the hydrology and concerns
regarding development and density was provided and discussed during that initial General
Plan process and that contributed decisively to the Revision Committee's determination to
not make any further changes.
Commissioner Pivirotto said it seemed as though a hydrology report and some of the
specialized review that need to occur for this particular piece of property would have
occurred before now. Would the hydrology report being requested be an updated report?
Mr. Ronquillo said to his understanding a hydrology report was never submitted, so it
would be a brand new report.
Commissioner Paolino asked, since we are not to consider the merits of this project, what
factors are we to consider in determining whether or not to approve initiation?
Commissioner Adler suggested that be part of our discussion after the Public Hearing.
Ms. More pointed out that this is not a Public Hearing, but the Chair may choose to hear
from the public.
Acting Chair Manross said he would open the meeting up to a Public Hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING opened at 6:23 p.m.
John Maisch, 1471 W. Rancho Feliz Place, was concerned that this is round number two.
The same points were submitted in 2003, and from what he understood was withdrawn
because the General Plan was taking precedent, and they withdrew their request. His
asked how many times do homeowners in the area need make this argument that this
does not fit in with the homes in the area. The aerial photo show that all the homes south
of the wash are on one acre lots and were built by the Estes Co. in the 70's and early 80's.
He is trying to visualize 10 years down the road. They have proposed 3 exits to allow the
homeowners to exit their community into the general traffic pattern. One exit was at
Overton, which has the most dangerous curve in the County because of the blind corner
there. They will probably withdraw that when the plan is submitted, and they will be asking
for two exits onto Rancho Feliz Drive. There could be 350 cars leaving that community
onto Rancho Feliz Drive between 6:30 and 7:30 every Monday through Friday. There are
T intersections at Overton and La Canada, and they are unlikely to ever receive a traffic
signal. He doesn't know how this could possibly work. This completely ignores the "green
zone" that was designated at the time the existing homes were built in the 1980's. He
does not see how 172 homes will fit in the small area.
Patricia Maisch, 1471 W. Rancho Feliz Place, was very active and came to every meeting
in the 2003 process that Estes had started. We asked Bryant Nodine at the first meeting
to look into the Green Zone agreement. Nothing ever came from that. Until we investigate
what that agreement is, are we wasting the Commission's time? She was concerned that
the project is not the same integrity as our neighbors. When she bought her house in
1990, the County had slated the property as a linear park. She questioned the legal
ramifications of funneling water through two high channels, and who would be legally
responsible for what happens to the people downstream on the south side of Overton.
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What happens to their property with the velocity of the water coming out of that channel?
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She would like to see the hydrology of the property. She was also concerned about the
wildlife access.
Jeff Ronstadt, 1450 W. Rancho Felix Place, said that as a resident living close to the
subject property he has serious concerns about the request for change of zoning. The
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proposed plan for developing the property includes redirecting of the normal water flow in
the Canada Del Oro Wash. This is a major wash in the area and the idea of redirecting it
seems absurdly radical. Such a change would dramatically affect the wildlife, large trees
and other natural elements of this riparian area and could create problems downstream.
The request to increase the allowable density by more than six times the current zoning is
too extreme. It would create a high density neighborhood in the middle of an area which
consists of houses on acre or larger lots. Regarding the flood plan, the development plan
calls for bank protection in the wash for most of the distance between La Canada and
Overton. This would seem to be ill advisable as this is the last stretch of wash where
extremely high water flow is allowed to spill over the banks and spread across open
desert. It can do so without destroying homes and it also recharges our ground water. If
we bank protect the entire CDO Wash it could eventually spill over the bank protection at
some point undoubtedly flooding homes in the process. By leaving at least one place
where flood waters can recharge the aquifer and spread without causing damage, we are
planning ahead for the future floods at the magnitude such as was experienced in 1983. If
the property is developed at the density currently allowed, current roads could probably
absorb the incremental traffic with some changes. However, a high density neighborhood
would require Pima County and the Town of Oro Valley to rethink the existing traffic
capacity of several nearby roads. Directing all traffic onto.Rancho Feliz Drive=pis not the
solution. In summary, he respects the Estes Co.'s right to develop the property within the
current zoning; however, he takes exception to redirecting the CDO Wash, to increasing
the allowable housing density and to bank protecting this stretch of wash. It is his hope
that the Commission will reject this request of rezoning.
PUBLIC HEARING closed at 6:35 p.m.
Commissioner Bergman said this seems like an awkward process whereby someone has
to ask permission before they can have a hearing. Is there any explanation for why this
process is set up the way it is?
Ms. More responded that as the new Planning and Zoning Administrator, she was also
struck by the lack of due process built in to the system and the lack of any criteria for
making the decision to initiate or not. It says that the Commission is supposed to be
deciding whether or not to initiate based on the merits of the request, but you are not really
in the full analysis mode until such time as the case is actually initiated. This is a unique
situation the Planning Commission is being asked to initiate. General Plan Amendments
are limited to the time of year applicants may apply. The same rezoning may not be
submitted more that once a year, but the applicant could keep on coming back year after
year. In this case, it has been several years since this item was discussed on its on own
and on its merits. For that reason staff encourages the Commission to go ahead and
initiate the process without discussing the merits of the matter itself.
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Commissioner Adler felt this is due process. The Commission is hearing the applicant and
members of the community. That is due process. The General Plan provides some
guidance and criteria for consideration. He read from page i of the General Plan: 'We
intend that the Plan be followed and consistently applied unless and until conditions in the
community have changed to the extent that the plan requires amendment or modification."
Conditions in the community need to have changed. That is the criteria. He does not think
conditions in the community have changed.
MOTION: Commissioner Adler MOVED to deny OV11-06-01, applicants
request for initiation of the proposed General Plan Amendment for the property
located on the north side of Rancho Feliz Drive between La Canada Drive and
Overton Road. Commissioner Paolino seconded the motion.
Discussion: Acting Chair Manross said that the submission back in 2002 was unanimously
denied by the Commission. From what he has seen from the applicant today, it doesn't
look like anything has changed since then. The Commission heard a lot at that time
regarding the floods, waters, and hydrology and he doesn't see anything today different
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than in 2002.
Motion to deny carried 3 yes, 2 no. Commissioner's Bergman and Pivirotto voting
no.
7. Discussion of the benefits of American Planning Association (APA) membership.
Ms. More.advised the Commission that Planning and Zoning is goingto purchase APA
National memberships for each of the Planning Commission members. She encouraged
the Commissioners to take full advantage of that membership.
Commissioner Adler attends many of the conferences put on by the state association and
finds them educational. The Planning Departments of Arizona State University and
University of Arizona are small departments and need financial support. He encouraged
members to actively participate.
Ms. More mentioned a presentation Commissioners may want to attend June, 12, 2006,
regarding sustainability with Sarah James as the speaker.
8. Planning Update
• The Town is contracting with a service to publish the Zoning Code and correct
problems we have had with pagination. We will be reprinting the entire Code.
Future updates will be done by Code Publishers and distributed to holders of the
new book by Diane Chapman.
• The Capital Improvement Plan Technical Advisory Committee will be meeting June
7, at 10:00 a.m. in the Council Chambers to review the projects that the Town
Manager has recommended for approval in this budget. At the beginning of the
process the Committee thought there would be $500,000 available for general fund
capital improvement projects. It appears that there is $1.14 million.
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• Since the last Commission meeting, the Town Council has approved the Ventana
Medical Complex development plans. They are planning approximately 184,000
square foot addition, which is projected to double their existing employment, as well
as a large parking area.
• Town Council approved Oro Valley Marketplace's time extension.
• We will have a very specific discussion at the end of the next meeting, when Chair
Bistany and Vice Chair McKee will be able to attend, regarding our work program.
The Town Manager's recommended budget for our department has increased. The
vast majority of the P&Z budget is staff. As of May 10t we are fully staffed and
there are high hopes that over the next fiscal year a lot will be accomplished. We
had put a request for$50,000 in outside professional services in the budget. The
Town Manager reduced that to approximately $20,000, because a project we were
going to fund will be funded out of Community Development's budget. The budget
is lean on O&M items with the exception of printing and postage which are
mandated by the activities that we process. Neighborhood cleanups have been
budgeted under miscellaneous and other operating. We have included travel and
training, which hopefully will include two staff members and a Planning and Zoning
Commissioner attending the Arizona Planning Association Conference. We are
trying to reduce our vehicle expenditures. What you will see next year is staff
working with planning projects, zonings case review, development review, and code
amendments. Because we are going to be involved in many projects some work
program items will have to be reprioritized.
• This was Don Manross' last meeting and appreciation was expressed for all his
service.
9. Adjourn Regular Session
Meeting adjourned at 6:50 p.m.
Prepared by:
Diane Chapman, Office Specialist