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Home My WebLink AboutMinutes - Oro Valley Fire Advisory Committee - 7/19/1999 Y ' j` -� ' ' ' ' .��f '. . ' ' ., ('. f r•,. . " � . �. ' '��_.�\ i.��V I�� g�� ` OlZO VALI.EY F�1�ADV�S�RY COMMITTEE � , AND � � ��L�Aal�f 9 S �O��J'� ��O V� . J�JLY 1991999 � , ORO `VAI.LEY TO�'Vl� COIJl\TCIL CI�AMBEIZS � h„ � 11,000 I�T. I�A CAl�AD�D1�VE C�iLL TO U1ZDElZ: 7000 pe�. � 1zOLL CALL F�SE1�T'I`o Jan Kv�cz, Ch�.irman lZox�I�oslowsk�9�Tice Chai�an � Herb lZutt9 Mernber �; J.Jo Notham9ll�Iembe�° � Paul Paris�� C�unc�l I�Iera�ber I,iaison ABSEI\T�'s Fred McCulloch9 �Ier�ber S�AFF P�S�Iv'�o Chuck Sw�et� T��I�1[anager . Ch�ef Werner V�oYff, Oro Vall�y Police Departrrient . Linda Hersha, Adxninistration Secretary Terry�I�osler9 Buildin� Official , f'� �� t � � �`'�--�� OTHER PRESEl�TT: � Paul Loornis,�I�Iayox � �� ruce Caldwell, Vice 1'resident of Emergency Services. � � . � � � �Consu�tin��rou� (ESCG) � � � � � Joe I'ai-rott, Emer�ency Services Consulting�Group � � � � � � � 1�ssoc�ates (ESCG) � � � � Chief F�ink,�Golder�R.anch Fire Departrxient � � � � � � � � Chief�-Iarribya I�ural/�Ietro Department � . 1e MINUTE -APPROVAL OF MINUTES DA'�ED JUNE 21, 1999 A MOTION was made by Vice Chair I�oslovvski,to approve the minutes from June 21, - 1999. 1Vlotion seconded by Herb 1Zutt. �Iot�on carr�ed,4-0s Jan Kvancz, Chair, vvelcorned the Focus Group 1Vlerribers and proceeded to announce the narnes of those members that were iri attendance. (John Bollato, Floyd Eberhard, Richard O'S�.11ivan, �ob Bernal, Jim Schuette9 John Barb�ee, James Bawluski, Army Curtis and �ob Iar�narino) . Chair Kvancz distributed a draft report of the Oro Valley Strategic Plan submitted by Erriergency Sexvices Consulting Gx�up (ESCG}e She also distributed 5 pages, from the ,,, , ��,� � �� S . ' July 199 1999 IVlinutes� Fire Adv�sory Con�ittee � 2 . repor�that had been co�ectedo She exp�aine�.�ha��hese pages would be inse�ted -� eventually into the f�nal draf�o � Cha�r K�ancz requested that on page 59 seco�d pa��.��aph, "The representatives of the . Oro Valley Strategic 1'lanning Comrn��ee �d th��re Adviso�-y Cornmit�ee'� should be changed to read" Oro Valley Citizens Focus Grou�and�ire Adv�sory Committee9'o � _ Chair K�ar�cz requested that on pa�e �99 G6�ist�d in priority order by the Citizens Foru.m" , should read, "L�sted in priority orde�°�y the Cit�ze�s Focus Group"e 2s �VIE�V OF FII�TAL D1�AFT OF�E�O1�Al�TCE OB�CTIVES AI�TD `I�ARGETS WI'TI� COI�TSLTLTAl�TTS E1�EIZGEI�CY SEIaVICES COI�TSITLTING GRO�.TP � �ruce Caldwell, V�ce 1'res�dent of Eme��ency Serv�ce Consulting Group revievved the - �� reporto I�e explained that section 2�ras desi��ed�o �reate perfo�ance rneasures and to develop costso �Ie proceeded to rev��w$��9.6G��re Se�ice Perforrr�ance�Vleasures and ��i�LCiAllA1��S99 ��e In ans�ver to a question frorn Council�Ierriber�Liaison 1'aul Parisi, Joe Parrott, ESCG Associate, stated that the numbers subrnit�ed for the ISO rating could be removed. � �� . Chair Kvancz suggested that category, "1�verage staffing at residential fire"be deleted, -- as discussed, due to diffculty verify�n��he nurnberse �lice Chair I�oslowski agreed because the cu�x�nt�u�nbers in the report were inaccurate. Council 1Vlernber Liaison Parisi inqu�red about cate�ory"Cost of Service per Capita". He � asked if the nurnbex reflected included both f re serv�ce and ara�b�lance service. IV�rs 1'arrot replied "it does not". .� � Consensus s The Fire Advisory Committee and Focus Group agreed to strike, "Average staffin� at residential fire"because it was unverifiable. � � In answer to a question frorri Chair I�vancz; Chief I�irby Hamby explained�that there are usually 5 personriel on the scene vvithin a 5 rninute response tinle. � Mxe Parrot�confirined that the "Cost per Ca�ita" for R.ural/Metro does not include � everyone buying a subscription for ambulance service. He explained that this issue was not relevant at the present time. �Ie stated�that the chart,presented,reflect only the , currer�t fi�dingse � Consensus: The Fixe Advisoxy Comrnittee and Focus Gxoup agreed that there should�be , - ar�asterisk next to the Golder Ranch figure ($141.56) for"Cost per Capita", to reflect that � r . _ � __�: �. . . ' . . . . . . t � July 19, 1999 IVl�nutes9 F�xe Adv�sory Con�nittee � 3 ._ � .the a�ency does include ambulance servicee They also decided that an asterisk should '� ,f appear next to �Zural/Metro's figure (�7�059)to state that the agency does not include . �_� ambulance se�rice9 other°wise it vvould be very m�s�eadingo - � . A�entler�an in the audience suggested that�he ent�re c�iart should be renamed since it represents the curxent findin�s. . � � . I�Iro Pa�ro�a�reed�d stated that the cha�t�rou�d�e �hanged to read"C�xent Fixe . , Se��c�1'erfo�-rx��ce I�Ieasures and��nch.��k�990 . 6G1'ost-iinprovement Cost Cornparison99 �This chart shows the cost to the�esidents�nd�rop�rty owners vvithin the To�of Oro �Ialley and the�`i�st year follovving the se��ce level�rriprovements proposed by each�°ire serv�ce provide�°o . 1Vleasure .Goldex Ranch�gr� I�ura�/1Vletro Distric� Fire I�epar�ment I'opulation Served 792 fl 2 18,243 , Secondary Assessed �549020�56� �124,746,314 �Ia1ue Protec�ed Total Cost of Se�ice �1,�20,9�� $3,202,701 � Cost pe�Capita �224.76 $175.56 '� �; Cost per$1�00 �f 1�Tet $3.00 $2.56 � F; ��_ . Assessed Value2 Consensus e The Fire Advisory Committee and�ocus Group agreed that the "Current � �ire Service Perfo�-rnance 1Vleasures and�en�chmarks" chart, undex the fire agencies headings, should reflect the population they serve (Golder Ranch Fire I�epartment � District services 7,212 and Rural/1Vletro Fire I�epax-t�nent services 18,243). The f Cornnlittee and Group also decided that the chart should reflect what is covered and what ' 1S IlOte � - � Council 1Vlernber Liaison I'arisi stat�d that he vvas su�-prised that ESCG had not collected any statistics frorn either a�ency reflectin��vhat they�had collected in tax revenue and the billing fxorn individual households to develo�a a��ure for"Per Capita". 1VIr. Parrott explained that one of the challen�es that occurs when nurribers become too � , detailed, "You get into xeven�e sources that really are not tied to the resident population or structures that are being protected99. � . J. J.Northan� sug�ested deleting t�ie"Cost per Capita" and"Cost of service per$1,000 � total property value". � , Consensus e The F�re Advisory Committee and Focus Group agreed to delete "Average `' staffing at residential fire" and the "Cost of Se�ice per Capita". - � ,, � � i � � July 19, 1999 IVlix�utes9 F��e Advisory Conlmittee 4 � , �� ,;� . � Chuc� Svveet, Town 1Vlana�er stated that the "Cost of Service pex Capita"vvas a very . ` �� impo�ant nurnbe�a �-Ie explained th�.��f�he "Cos�per Capita"between two service provide�s is t�rice the arnount of the�at�onal avera�e and that this kind of information should b�presented to Council. Cou�cil_I�1lerr�ber Liaison�ax�s� a�re�d�.nd�xpl�,�ned that the only vvay to get"Cost per Capita" is to collect frorn all sourceso _ � Je Ja 1�Tortharn suggested taking the"Cos�pe�°�api��.99 out of the 6GCurrent F�re Serv�ce 1'erforinance�Ieasures and�enchrr��.rks99��ia�and rnovin� it�o another section for C�ISCUSSlOIle . 1VIr. Sweet stated that vvould be fi�e9 as lon� as it�s not taken out of the report entirely. In answer t� �.question frorri 1dlre 1'a,�ro�t, Ch�ef�i�explained that he could request that 1'ima County do a parcel by parcel l�stin�of eve�parcel �n Oro Valley. �IIe exp�ained � that the ambularic�rece�vables vvould hav�to be done by hand for the amount of revenue collected fo�that particular se�vice o In�s�rer to a question frorn�Tice Ch�.ir I�oslo�rsk�, �hief I�ar�by explained tha�a bill is . forxnulated based on the square foota�e, reported by the assessor's office, � �'� Consensuse The Fire Advisory Committ�e and Focus Group a�reed to take the"Cost of f, j ?�----�� Service per Capita" and the"Cost of s�xvice per�1,000 total property value"out of the "Current Fire S�rvice]Perfoxrnax�ce 1Vleasures and�enchrriarks Chart" and the figures be . coxrectedo 3. DISCITSSIOl�T A1�TD/OR FIl�TAL COIZREC'I'IONS COMMEl�TTS TO D�FT Vice Chair I�oslovvski stated that Rurafl/1l�I�tro�does not�include Haz-Mat calls, but Golder Ranch does9 "therefore, this needs to be clarified ir�the�report'9e _ 1VIrs Paxrott clarified that a footnote had b�en added to read, "T'he ambulance subscription char�e has been included in this chart for cornparison purposes nnlye Not all Rural/Metro custorners subscribe for ambulanc� �erv��e. Mr. Caldwell proceeded to review pa�e 3�1, "Comn�ercial Property". He stated that the ``Golder Ranch Fire I�istrict does not pxovide �.iscountss It is unable to do so,through its tax rate, though there tnay be other rriethods by�vvhich this can be accomplished. � � Rural/Metro provides discounts to properties vvith fire protection systemss This � recognizes the�alue of fire protection systems in the control of fire". These discounts � . �nclude o �Zesident�al � , : Autorx�atic �'ire spririkler systern 20% � � � � July 199 1999 Minutes9 ��re�dv�sory Committee 5 . , ,. _., Monitored�'ir�al� systern . �0%o . � � � Coxrixnercial �. � � `.�___� �Vith�n 19000 feet of a f re hydrant 10°�0 � . LJrirnonitoxed�°i�e alarrn system . S% 1Vlonitored alarm systexri "10%0 Autorx�atic �'i�e sp�i�ler sys�em 25% � Apa�trrient/rnult�ple unit 20% Golder�Zanch Fire I�istxict does not, �.ccordin�to their le�al counsel,provide d�scounts. � In ansvver to �.question frorxi C�air I�vancz9 M�a P�.��tt stated that he vvould include a � �°eferenc�re�ard�ng Golder I�anch and�he Ar�z�n�.State Lavvo � Mre Caldwell explained t1�at the s�cond�o last para�raph or�pa�� 3.1 had been changed to be more de�finitive�o what happer�s w1tl�non�business customerso - Chair I�vancz stated that lZuxal/IV1letro does char�e for I-�az-lVlat, even if the customer is a subscriber9 and that Golde�I�arich does no�o She su��ested that th�s be cla�ified�n the last p�agraph on pa�e 310 , �1VIr. �aldvvell revievved page 32 "Perforrn�.nGe Objectives and`Targets79. I�e explained th�:t the corrirr�ittee had seleGted the follovvin�Performance Obj ectives and Targets. ' `�� . T'he minirnu�n number of qualified persor�e�assigned to an engine and ladder '��` companies designated to serve the T°o�o�Oro�Ialley shall be four(4). 2, The minimurr�nunZber of qualified firefi�hters or� scene of a fire vvithin six(6) xninutes � of the receipt of the alarm shall b� s�x (6): � - . 3 e The rninirnurn training level of p�xsonriel assi�ned to axnbulances shall be oz�(1� CEP � �.�C��11� �� A��e 4. 90% of responses to rnedical erner�encies shall be made within five (5)xninutes or less fron�rece�pt of the ca�ll by the f re departrriex�t to tirrie on scene. 5. 90% of responses to fire emergencies sha�.l be rnade vvithin six (6)minutes ox less frorri recei�t of the call by the fir� depaxtrnent to time on scene. _ 6 s ��.I,S transpoxt capable ur�it s�all arr�ve at the scene of a rriedical erxiergency � w�th.in ei�ht(8)minutes or less 90% of the tim� and tvvelve (12)xninutes or less 100% �f the time9 frorn the tirne requestec�a . 7. Each f re departmen�shall�assi�n�a�min�m�one (1)1�LS engine co�npany and/or ALS ladder cotnpany at every station that�s d�s�gnated to serve Oro Valley. In addition, a rninirriurri of one ALS �nbulance fxonr�each fire department shall be � ass��ned to one of their desi�nated stations. If a unit, designated to serve Oro Valley is d�spatched to an emergency outside af Oxo Valley another ALS unit of similar .function, shall be xnoved to the Oro Valley area vvithin one (1)hour maxixnunz from the tirne the unit responded to that errier�ency. Ir�addition, if an en�ine or ladder designated to serve Oro�Ialley is dispatched outside.of Oro Valley, one (1) firefighter � is to�ernain at the stations �ack up u��ts shall�ave a n�inimuxn of 3 personnel on�'ire , � � � Jul 19, 1999 1Vlinutes9 Fire Adv�sory Cornmittee _ 6 . Y _ . apparatus and 2 persorinel on ar�arx��uY�,nceo LJn�ts are de�'ined as en�ines, ladde�s � �, : ; and axr�bulancese . Th�corx��ttee also establlshed a lo��t��al ��the achievement of an ISO Class 4 ins�ance ratin�for the To�of Oro Vall�yo - . Consensuso °I'he Fire Adv�sory Co�mi�tee and Focus C�roup agreed with the . Perfo�ance Obj ect�ves and Targetso ' : 66Implications of the Targets on Cos�o�Serv�ce99 T°he table belo�r shows the�irst and second y��.r costs to t1�e To�of Or� �Talleye These �.�e based on cuxren�population and seconda�-y�.ssessed value fi�urese 1�To grovvth factox � or adjustrx�ent for axir�e�atflon of'I°o��er��ory�nt��he �'rolde�l�anch F�re 1�is$rict is �ncludedo Year C�st per Cap��. Cost per$100 - . Secondary assessed - � value Year l �224.76 $3.00 Year 2 �21�.90 $2.81 . �� Consensus s The Fire Advisory Conzrnittee and F�cus Group agreed that the"�2 s 5 5 per � �-�' � $100 of�seconda assessed value"was an incorrect fi�ure submitted by ESCG, and that �' the correct fi�ure should read"�2.43 pex��00 ��secondary assessed value, which had �een submitted by Chief Fink of G��.e��.�c�o . � Chaix I��ancz stated that the fire�rotection vvithix�the Golder Ranch service area of the � To�of Oro Valley would not cost ``�3 e27 per�100 of secondary.assessed value". She expla�ned that the Ar�zona Sta�e Law Statute caps this�'igure at�3.00.- She requested that th� �`i�ur�be co�rectede Chaix I�v�,nc�called a recess at 9:00 pern. 1Vleetin�back in session at.9a 1 S pem. . A�entleYnan in the audience su�gested addin� a category labeled"Per household". 1VIrs Svveet explained that this nun�ber could be obtained by using the Town's census - �M`M�1 C�S e . � , - . . Consensus e Th�Fire.A,dvisory Coannr�ittee and Focus Group agreed that they would like to see in the repoxt,under the cate�ory "1'ublic Fir�District",that the citizens of the fire district vvould own the equi�ment. , � ; - _�}- � � �` �uly 199 1999 �/Iinutes9 ��re�dv�s��o�nrnittee 7 . 1��entlernan in the audience stated that Ru�al/Nletr� Fg�e I�epartrnent owned the t' equ�prnen�that�s paid for by�he cit��enso ��.dd�d�hat the citizens of the Golder Ranch f�-- Fire I�istxic�o�the equiprnent. ldl�o ��.�0��i��l�i�66��.�lw� �i��iCi�990 - l�re Pa�ott explained that if the Town wanted o�ership of the asset, "Ruxal/Metro : �rould be moxe then v�illin�to arran�e th�s vvath��he san�e dollar amount that has beeri � quoted"o H� stated that there vvouYd b� a va��ety�f options that the Town could considero �1ice Cha�r I�oslowskfl e�pressed concern�g�h�h� additiomal costo � _ l0�ro�Parrot explained that RuralllVletro had bu�l��the cap�tal cost of add�n�2 stat�ons and apparatus, i�to the additional arrio�t�ntended�o b�charged to the Towno � Councgl�Iernber L�aiso�Parisi exp�ained tha��rh�r�the °Tovvr�Council receives the repor�9 the �inanc�I��rector vvill rev�e�r the n�be�s9 �d these�igures�vould be , presented to the publgc before any dec�s�o�s a�°�mad�. Chair I�vanc�asked�n reference to�pa�e 3�9 6Gif th� Tovvn had backup�enexators990 , 1VIre Caldvvell replied"Yes"m � . � ��✓ - Consensuse The Fire Advisory Com�nitt�e and�ocus Group reviewed the section labeled, � � ��---�`� "Survey Obj ective V 11 s I�elivery Syst�n�on page 57, under category C, "Theoretical Response Tirne9', and agreed to delete�he cate�orye 4e DISCUSSIOI�T OF RECOlVIME1�TDATIQI�TS �� TOV'V1�1 COUNCIL Chair I�vancz addressed page 5 8, u�der cate�ory D, "Response ti�ne goals.adopted". She inquixed if the 90 percent represented bot�pxov�derse � l�Ixs 1'ai-rott explained that the percer�ta�e repox�ed was the fire agencies individual goals � and not the �oals of the F'.�C and�o�us C�roups � Chair I�vancz addressed page 69 �.nd 70 s She stated that persoxinel�staffing should be �ncluded for�ons�stencye � A gentlexnan in the audience inquired if the report could reflect a tax deduction for those I horneov�xiexs e IVIro �'a�rott replied"Yes 9. Chair Kvancz asked "why vvasn't there any references to station locations". � ,r" Mrs Caldvvell stated that the locations�ad already been chosene ; ; . r � �� July �99 199� Minutes9 Fire Advisory C�rx�r�it�ee � , . � Chai�I�vancz stated that the Fixe A�.v�soxy �ornrx�ittee hoped that the Fo�us Gxoup wou�d � �- �ive fe�dback before the �inal�eport�ras subm�tted t� Council for their cons�deratione In ans�rer to a question fxorn Chair I�v�.ncz$ Mro C�.�dwell stated that the �°inal repo� would be del�vexed to Mro Sweet�n 2 weekse Chair K�ancz�o�ced that the ne�t meet�n w��,�.ld be held on I�onda 9 Jul 26��at � Y �' 7eoo�s�o � AD.TOTJ�l�E1�TT There bein�no othex bus�ness before th� c��ittee,the rneetin�vvas adj ourr�ed at 10 e05 . parno I��spec��.11y subrri�tted � Lix�d�.�-Iersha, Administrative Secretary �, , , � __.,