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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes - Oro Valley Fire Advisory Committee - 5/17/1999 i r . , - �., i � _ , IVIII�TIJTES OF TI3� � `� ORO VALLEY FI��I)VISOl�� COlVIMI'I'�'EE � , - 1VIay �791999 ORO VALLEY TO�'Vl�t COUI��IL CHA1VdBERS . �, 11,000 l�t. LA CAI�TAI�A DRIVE CALL TO ORDER: 7 s 00 perna ROLL CALL � PRESEI�To Jan Kvancz9 Chai�an � I�on I�oslowski9 V�ce Chairman �Ierb Rutt, 1!/Ierribe� Fred 1VIcCul�och9 Mexnber � ABSENTs � 1'aul Parisi, T�vvn�Council 1Vlernber � al e el e A������� A tl 5����JL STAF� PRESEI�TT: Chuck Sweet9 Town Il�anager Linda Hersha, Adm�nistration Secretary OTI�EIZS PRESEN�'o Chief Johx��ir�k9 C�older Ranch Fire Department Chief Kirby�-Iaxnby, Rural/Metro Fire Department Jack Sn�ok9 ��°es�den�of ESCG , � Bx-u.ce ��.1d��119 V�ce�resident of ESCC� �- Joe Parro�9 Assoc�a�e of ESCG MINUTES . � A MOTION was made by Member Herb lZutt and seconded by Fred McCulloch,to approve the minutes of April 12�h, 1999 with�he coxr�ction as noted. The rnotion car.ried 4-0. Jan Kvancz, Chair, welcomed the Focus Group and announced that due to the Canyon del . Oro Hig� School's graduation ceremony there v�ou�d not be as many members attending � this evening. She then proceeded to announce those�nembers that were present.(Jol1n , - Barbee, Jim Bawulski, Bob Bexnal, Betty Larson, S�dra Larson, Jim Schuette, Charles Hulsey, Richard, O'Sullivan, Floyd Eberhard, �orn Peterson) 2. OVERVIEW OF P�VIOIJS DISCUSSION RELATING TO STRATEGIC PI�AN FOlZ FIl�Al�D EMS � Chair Kvancz introduced Mr. Jack Snook, President of Emergency Service Consulting Group (ESCG), Vice President Bruce Caldwell and Associate Joe 1'arrott. , ; . � . , . ,� May 179 1999 � 1VIINtJTES, FI1ZE A�VISORY COMMITTEE 2 _ �Vlro Snook distributed copie�s of the St�rate��c Pl�.n that had been developed over the past � �� �, three (3) month and cop�ies of the pex�o�-rn�,nc� �r�teria to the Committee and the Focus � C�roup o 3o DISCiTSSIOl�T O�Z"IIE��11�T��II�IARII�S/ST�NDARDS BACKGROUI�TD Joe Parxo�t explained that ESCG had x°ev�e�ed the perfo�ance objective in regards to quality protection and good service ��se.9 �esponse time, staffing, �'ire lose perfor�nance including sorne �mergency medical cxiteria� �.nd�,�ari�ty of other thin�se (He added that ESCG has put together these figures fxom�nformat�on gathered frorn both Rural/1Vletro Fire Depa�rrient and Golder Ranch Fire I��pa�tmento) 4� PRESEl�TTATI�II�T OF `�°�IE �EI�T��IMAF�K/STAI�DARDS DEVELOPED�Y�1�ERGEI�TCY SERVICES CONS�JLTING � GRO�JP (ESCG) FO12 C�I�Il�IT.TI�IPI'Y DISCUSSIOI�T Joe Par�ott proceeded to revievv the t�,bl�6GFire Se���e Performance 1Vleasures and Benchmarks"that had been prepared by ESCG pe�ardin� services provided by� 1Zura1/1Vletro and Golder I�anch performance cri��r�ao �Ie �xplained that these numbers were derived from corriparing other cities and�o�s��th similar demographics such as popula.tion, age, housing, business�developrnent and density. He added that a 1�Torthwest verses Southwest regional comparisor�study was rx�ade by ESCG. � Indicator/obj e�tive Rural/IVl�tro Golder l�anch Recommended ��--_% Standard Fire�'i�hters per 1000 0.75 2s55 1.52 �O�JU1�.t1011-t�11S �1gUr� 1S derived by the total staff divided by the population of the community that it serves. ` On duty staff per 1000 oe A lf� e V'� e e V population—this figure is der�ved by how xriany people are on call to deal with an ernergency 1Vlax�rxium dista.rice frorn 3 s 5 m�l�s 4,3 miles 1.5 prope�ty of fixe engine—this refers directly to Oro Valley in respect to how close the . nearest fire agency is. 1Vlaximum distance froxn 5.0 miles 12.2 miles 2.5 property to ladder truck Nunlber of personxiel assigned 3 1��I�n of 3 - 4 to en�ine 4 90%of the , --- � t�me � ; , , ,�-__,. , � � May 17, 1999 IVIINUTES, FI�A�V�SOR� COIVIIVII�'TEE � � �, - Nu�nber of persor�el assigned 1 I��no 3 — 5 � � � ; � to a ladder txuck 4 90% of ti�ne _ � A�r�bulance crevv skill level 1 CEP9 � �EP9 1 CEP,1 El�IT 1 EMT 1 ElVIT 1�Turriber of qualified 5 5 6 firefighters on scene of fire within 5 ininutes Average Staffing at 29 �5 15 residential fire Number paramedics assigned 1 1 N/1-� to engine companies Cost of sexvice per capita $7�.59 ��57.1� 1�T/A , Cost of service per �1000 ��e29 �2v43 1�/A total pxope�ty value 90% of responses are made 6 m�nu��s EIVIS-6 rx�in. 1�TA within X rninutes F�re-� n�in, % of comnlercial occupancies 95% 90% N/1� inspected at lest annually ISO lZating 6 5/� N/A Mr. Parrott explained that the "Recomniend�d Standard" comes from the International City 1Vlanagenzent 1�ssociation(ICIVIA), vvhich is based on a survey of communities - across the United States. He explained that this included communities as small as ten ,_ _,- thousand (10,000)people to hundreds of thousands of people, ,Vice Chair Koslowski disagreed that the fire en�ines from Rural/Metro could be counted because they are obligated to go elsewhere, therefoxe,the town could not depend on those . �I1�111�S e In responses to question fro�n a gentl�rnan in the audience, lVlr. Snook explained that neither fir� a�ency had dedicated services for equiprnent or personnel for the Town of Oro Valleys He explained the he did r�ot�ov�of very rnany�'ire department that have totally dedicated services, He added that ES�C��net vvith both fire departn�ents recently � and th�two (2) agencies have had a ch�.nce to xeview the current infornzation and corripares '�**l�'�unlber of qualified firefighters on scene o�fire vvithin 5 minutes�*� Chief Kirby Hanzby, Rural/Metro Fire I�epartment�ave a brief synopsis of what their residential fire response service provides s • 2 en�ines—3/2 • 2 arxibulances—2/2 e 1 chief officer- 1 • 1 prevention officer- 1 • 2 �atertenders � 1/1 � Total nurnber of persorinel in attendance= �� , r � __ IVIay 179 1999 l�/IIIVIJTES, FI�,�II��T�SOl2�COIVIMI'I'TEE 4 .-- Assistant Fire Chief Patrick Abel, C�o�de�°�an����re I�epartrnent gave a brief synopsis of � � �� �rhat their residential �'ire�es onse s���ce rov�des o . 1 l� � `-f • 2 engines—4%4 � 2 ambulance— 1/1 • 1 wate�tender— 1 • 2 chief prevention officers—4 �'otal number of persorinel in at��ndance= 1 S In response�o a question from a�entleman�n the audience, IVIr. Snook explained regarding a 6Gstandard base",that at the presen��ime9 there are no national standardize recordin� system. I�e added that the avera�e loss per structure is not available,but ESCG would be�nore than vvilling to research this par�ticul�.r issue, ��'�Average staffing at resiciential far���� Vice Chair I�oslovvski would not excep��he f�gures ��ven by l�ural/1Vletro Fire I�epartnzent for the "Avera�e staffin�at residential�ire"and requested documentation rega�ding the figures that had been submitted� 1VIre Snook stated that ESCG would�o on s�te and r�view the data that is available and submit a report to the Comn�ittee. � ���l�Tunlber of paranleclics assigned to en�ine �ompanies*'�* . Mr. Parrott explained that there was no "reco��nd�d standard"because it is an optional � ; level of service for the cotnmunity. ,- In answ�r to question from Chair K�an�z, Chief Fir�of Golder�Zanch stated that 68 to � 70 percent of rxien that operate in the towri are para�nedic trained. Cllief Hamby of Rural/ Ii�etro stated that inore thaxi half of his crew is paxamedic trained. IVIr. Parrott informed Chaix I�vancz that the minimum paramed�c p�r tru.ck is at least 1 s ***Cost of sex�ice pe� capita'�*� Chair Kvancz inquired if this figure included anlbulance service,which is a completely different contract and was inforined that this cost could be a third party billing. 1VIrs I'arrot�stated that there is no "recoxnrnended standard". '��*Cost of service per$1000 total prope�rt�value�** � Vice Chair I�olovvski stated that the �'i�ures an�.chaxt vvere inco�-xect. Mrs Snook explained that the per$1000 fi�ure was based on the "cost of service per capita", so if that nun�ber is incorrect,the cost of service per$1000 would also be incorrecte �Ie added that ESCG vvoulc�review thos� �'i�ures a�ain. A gentlernar�ix�the group stated that these costs did not compare anywhere near the cost that the ho�eowner pays for services in the corrirr�un�tye � � �, IVIay 17, 1999 1VIINUTES, FI1�1-�D�T�S�RY COlVIlO�II`TTEE 5 I�Ire Parxot�cautioned i the group not�� us�these num�ers to fi�ure out vvhat their bills � ! vvould be because this is not the intento ` � Chief�ixik, Golder l�anch Fire Depa�trnent stated t�at C�older IZanch pxov�des both fire and ambulance transport services and that�hey als� do third pa�y billings �Ie explained that thi�d party billing n�eans9 �f you have insu�ance9�he fire agency vv�ll bill your insurance company for the transport and tha�the res�dent�s never billed. �onsensusa The �roup agreed that�f ESCG could shovv the squa�e footage in a dollar amount rather than per capita, it vvoul�.be �.lo�eas�ex to corriprehenda ��*90% of responses are made�vithin X minutes��* 1VIra Parrott stated�hat they vvere st�ll vergfy�n�these figures subrnit�ed by 1Zura1/1Vletro. In answer to question frorri V�ce C�ia�x l�oslowsk�9 Ii�I�s 1'arxot stated that they vvill be v�.r�fying these �'i�ures by checking the r�cords rev�evv9 calling cards� ti�ne dispatched and tirne of arrival e In answer to question frorri I�/Iember Rutt91!/Iro Parrott stated that the 6 minutes is a soft nu.nlber and is subject to changeo 1VIr. Snook stated the "1Zecom�nended St�.ndard" is not non-applicable and that ESCG hi�hly encouraged a standard for thiss IIe stated that this item and staffing are the two (2) �~\`, rnost critical standard to set�d that there is no na�tional standards � '��'�% of con�rr�ercial occupancies �x�spectecl at least annually*�� In response to a question frorn a gentleman in the audience, lVlr. Caldwell stated that the �ro Valley�ias entered into a Gontxact wit�Golder Ran�h Fire I�epartment to provide 0 these servicess Mr. Parrott stated that there are no "xecoxxinlend�d sta�ndard"s ���ISO iZating'��'� Mre 1'arrott stated t�at this was an excellent way to predict what the homeowrier property insurance rates vvould bes He explair�ed that not a�ll �nsurance companies subscribe to the I S O �a�tin�because they do their ovvn ratin�s �I� a�dded that th�re is no "recoxnmended standa�°d'9 s In answer to question from a Chair�vancz, lVlre Pax-rott stated the last ISO l�ating was done on Rural/Metro five (5)years a�o and Caolder Ranch eleven(11)years ago. In answer to question from gentleman in the audience, Mre Parrott clarified that there was not a current ratin� for ElVI S s , � .� �. . �, 11�//Iay 17, 1999 1VIIIVUTES, FI�A�VISOIZY COlVIMITTEE 6 � , - DISCUSSION: Chair I�vancz sug�ested t�at the�es�onse tirrie should be set betvveen r four(4)to six (6) minutes for fire and f��� (5)rxiinutes as the outside limit for ElVIS o �Ir. Parxott suggested that the verbia�e for th�s�a�ticular measure should read"arrival of adv�ce life support le�els of care happens w�th.in five (5)xninutes�90%of the time'9s �1ice Cha�r I�oslov�rsk� suggested hav�n��our�4)pe�ple on a truck vvithin the tixne set and to be fully equippede Chuck Svveet, �own Mana�er, expla�ned to the �roup that they vvould be �iving the input for this Strategic Plan to the Fire Advisory Corrimi�teeo He explained t�iat the Fire , � Advisoxy Coaxirx�ittee will make the forrnal recor��mendation to the Towr�Council, and the a Towr�Cou.ncil would make the�'inal determination on the Strategic I'lan that would be ��nplernenteds I�e added that he does no�h�.ve�.v�te,but vvill provide from a staff level, a recommendation based upon his in�olvernent and the staff involven�ent in the process. Consensus: The nurnber of qualified f re��hters on the scene should be a�ninimurn of six (6) and four (4)to be on one engine o Vice Chair I�oslowski requested to have dedic�.ted s��ices for the Tov�of Oro �Talleyo Mre Snook suggested that he would work with th�providers and present information to the group that�vill be reasonable, fl��ible and cost effectivem , � ; ������--' Member Fred 1VIcCulloGh inquired that vvith the establishment of all the standards and rneasurexnent, who will monitor and overs�e tJhat th�ese rules are followed. IVIr. Sw�et stated that he has asked the tovvn attorney these questions and expects to have a response frori�hinl in vvriting in the next week. �-Ie added that in essence, it is going to � take an agreernent with l�ural/IVletro Fire�epartrxient and an inter�overnrnental ' agreexnent vv�th C�older l�anch�ire I�epartrr�ento 1Vlerxibex 1VIcCulloch asked what happened to the original report and could this issue be put on the ballet in 1�Toverriber to let�he t��9 s people speak. 1VIrs Svveet stated that this vvas soxnethin�that cou�d certainly be included in the xecotnmendation as this Strate�ic Plan�o�s forwarde I-�e explained that the way Council has directed this issue at the present ti�e is to do the Strategic Plan and s�t the standards; let the two (2)providers ineet those standar�.s that are set by the citizens of the Town of Oro Valley; and review them on a pexiodic bases. �Ie added that based on their pexformance, the decision would be rx�ade as rather to have one provider or not. Mxe Parrott�ave overview of some of th� standards the Comrriittee and the grou�had selected and they were as follows: . ; • four(4)persor�engine cornpany -�� , , �, . �,� 1VIay 179 1999 1VIINUTES, FI�AD�TISORY COlVI�VIITTEE 7 , - • six(6) qualified firefighters on sc�ne w��h�n six�6) minutes for f�re �, � • 90% of EIVIS responses�nade�vithin ffl�e (5)m��utes or less • 90% of fixe incidence xesponses rxiad�vvithi�si�minutes or less • a long range goal for a ISO class fou�(4) ratin� 5. FtT'TUl�ACTIOI�T REGAI?�I1�TG S��TEGIC PI�Al� 1VIro Snook stated that the ambulance cr��r sk�Y� �e�re�to require a pararnedic on every arnbulance call is a reasonable standard and recor�ended that this gnforrnation b� addede 1l�Ire Sweet anriounced to the group that ne�t rr�eetin�vvill be held on 1Vlonday, June 21, 1999e � . � AD.TOUI�TIVIEI�T T'here beix��no further business before�h� C���t�ee9 the rneeting was adj ou�-r�ed at 9:40 perxie Respect�.ily submitted9 . � ��;,� � Lirada I�ersha, Admin�strative Secretary