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. REG�TLA� ME�TING .
ADMIN CONFERENCE R�OM
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11000 .N. LA CANADA DRIVE
� T'UESDAY JUL�.2� 1997 _
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CALL T4�URDER: 4:30 p.m. _ �
R�LL CALL
PRE SENT: Jan Kvancz, Chair .
. Ron Kosl-owski, Vice ��hair . �
Fred McCulloch, M�mber
- Herb Rutt, Member
Laar�Howell, Member ,
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.,�PPRaVAT� OF MINUTES DATED JUNE 24, 1997
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\�� MOTION: Herb Rutt moved to accept the minutes as read with no �
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corrections or add�tions. Motion seconcled by Fred
McCulloch. Motion carried unanimously.
� REPORTS
Com leted re orts were given to Ms. Kvancz. �All Board members received
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the information ackets and it Was determi.ned there was too much material � ,
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to revievv at this m.eeting. It was suggested that all reports and materials be
taken home and studie d b th� B o a�rd mem.b ers. Ever�one agre e d.
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� RES�L'�'S AND DISCUSSION OF REPORTS
Discussion on the results of the re orts Was dela ed until all information
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could be reviewed. It was decided that the�'e would not be a mee �ting held _ �
in Au st but that the Board vvould reconvene again in September.
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� MOTION: Ron Koslows�i moved to have t�ie next Board meeting �. �
TUESDAY� SEPT�MBER 16, 1997 at 4:3 0 p.m.. Motion
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' POR� Ol� MEETINGS WITI�RURAL/METRO AND GOLDER
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RANCH FIRE DISTRICTS
luls. T�vancz read her re, ort on meet�.n. �held with Ru�al/Metro and Golder
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Ranch Fire Districts. Ms. Kvancz re�u.ested copies of this report be added
to the minu�es for this meetin, Please see Attachment A).
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Mr. Ko slowski al so re ad into the minute s a letter he had written to M s.
Kvancz reference his difficul in atherin information fr,om Rural/1�/Ietro.
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(Please see Attachment B).
1Vls. KYancz stated she would be re�eivin a report fro�n the City of Tucson
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�om�municat�ons Meds Control reference th� EMS calls for Oro �alley �
from 7/1/�6 - 6/3 4/97 that RuraUMetro & �older Ranch Fire Districts
res �anded to. Th�re �ue�ted re art was ta include the dis atch time, the
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res orise time to dis a,tch and�he time of arrival on the scene for both fire�
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_ de artments. Ms. Kvancz stated�tl�at this repo�t, as provided by an
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���� iridependent, would a11oW the Board to correlate the ln.f'ormat�on that had �
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-- been received from both fire companies xegaxding their emergency service
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Ms. Kvanc2 stated Chief Fink of Golder Ranch had prov�ided in his report a
summ of all the calls. Ms. Kvancz then asked Mr. Good of
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Rura1/Metro who was s�ated�n.xhe audience, if the information prov�ided
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b Rural/Metro could be sumn�arized as well. Mr. Good stated he vvould
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b� able to do this and Ms. Kvanc�requested the lilformat�on be provlded no
later than August l lth.
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Ms. Kvancz stated there had been a �uestion concerning wording on the
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� Miss�.an Statement. Clar�fication was re uested as to what the term"Fire
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Loss Preven�tion Se�-�ices" meant. It seems t11e term co�xl.d hav�two
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onnotations. Ms. K�ancz sta�ed she b�lie�es the Board was conce�-ne�.
witll what ha ens a�ter there is �.f�re and What does the Fire co�n.pany do
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to control further losses in that b�.ilding or facility. �'here was discussion
on t�iis and it was deter�m.i�ed that Mr. C�ood �f Rural/Metro would provide
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an Internation,al Fire Services Trainin Association manual v�ith standard
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: o eratin roceduxes to 1WIs, I�vancz for her revievv and surnrnatian on th�is
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. sub'ect. Ms. Kvancz request�ed the manual be dropp�ed off at her home by
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Ms. Kvancz asked for a.�y fi�rtller questions or c�mments. �he stated t�e
two� areas left on the Mis�ion Statement to be researched and discussed
were Fire Insurance & �ode �nforcement and D�partment Education&
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Training Resources and that�hese areas would be reviev�red late�r.
Mr. I�erb Rutt stated he wanted it read intQ the record that he had me�t with
Chief Hamb and Chief Good of R.ural/Metro on Jul 15 and that they were
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ve coo erative. The took him on-a tour of their communications center
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vvhich has state-of-the-art equipment and t�iat it appears they have an
� excell�nt ro 'am. He had recei�ed complete coope�ration from
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Rural/Metro regarding information for his report. He further suggested
that all the Board me�nbers if�poss�bl� make arrangements to take a tour of
the Cam�rn.�.nication Centers far both the fire districts so as to hav� a better
understandin� of the wor�in s, the hovv and why's of bot�i of the
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departments. There�ere no further questions or comn�ents. �
� ADJUL�tl�TM�NT
There bein no further „ uestions or comments. Ms. K�ancz called for a
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m.otion to adj ourn.
M�TI4N: Fred McCullQch moved to have the meeti�g adjourned. �
1Vlotion secon�.ed by�,arry Howell. Motion carried
unanimously.
M�eting adjourned at 5:03 p.m.
Re�pectfully submitted, �
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� FI RE ADVI S�RY B�ARD M I N UTES 7/22/97
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ORO VALLEY FIRE AD'VISORY BOARD MEETING
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C��IR'S REPORT QN MEETING WITH R1M& GRFD
� June 9, 1997--I contacted Rural Metro to setu a meetin with G�ner
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Kev1n Keely to �nform them that the Town Council on S/21/97
established a Fir�Advisory Board.
� June l6, 1997 9:40--I met with K�vin Keel GM of FJM• Jahn Karolzak I�I '
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� Service Chief�JM; Scot�R. Miller, Fire Chief�;1M; and Geo�ge T.A.
� �rood, Admin. Chief, Public Information Off cer�JM. At this meetin
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each member received a cap}r of the Cansent Agenda of the 0.V.
. Town Council dated �/21/97 w�ich listed the Fire Advisary Board and its
members. I also handed to each member present a co of the Fire
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Advisory Board rnission statement and explained our goals, which is �
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prov2de fire and emergency se�-vices to Oro Valley r�sidents.
A 3 page questionnaire,* which I had re ared before tlze meetin was
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explained to all present and I state�it would also be give�to GRF� for �
answers. When this meeting was over at approximately 10:30 it w�s a eed
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by all�JM staff present at this meeting that aIl of t�ie information requested
would be given to me by July 14, 1997 so that it�vould be read to
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distr��ute to the F2re Board members at our meeting July 22, 1997. .
+ June 24, 1997--Fire Advisory Board me�ting. I mentione�that I had met with
�:/M and given them the questiorulaire. I faxed the same uestionnaire
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to GRFD on June 16, 1997. I advised the Board that I would�rive a
complete report on the meeting of 6/16/97 and an subse uent meetin 7s
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� I mi�ht atrend with either�re company at the July 22, Board meetirl�.
At this same Board meeting l�on.Koslowski as�e�i George Good of
R1M if he could get an.ISO rating an�;1M. Mr. Good said he would et
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it to Mr. Koslowski within two days. �
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FI RE ADVI S�RY BO/�RD M I N UTES 7I22/97
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C��'S REPORT CONTD. JULY 22, 199?
� June 27, 1997--Chief Fink attendeti a meeting with RuraUMetro, _
Northwest Fir�Dist., and the I�AFF (Firefighters Union}, At this
meeting Mr. Steve Savage, Regional President, West Re�ion of R1M
asked Chief Fink to contact me to ask for an zxtension of 30 da s to
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answer tlze questionnaire. Chief Fink informed Mr. Savage he had no
� input into the Advisory Board, but Mr. Savage persisted in asking the
Chie�'to contact me. Chief Fink agreed to contact m�. Mr. Geor e Good
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as also at this meeting. .
� � July 7, 1997--I received a phone call from Chief Fink regarding�;lM
� request for a 30 day extension to questionnaire. I had be�n out of
town prior to this and Chief Fink could not get to me sooner. I .
advised Chief Fink that I would speak to Mr. Koslowslii regard.ing
t�iis re�uest and to see if he had r�ceived his information fronn R1M
as promise�. Mr. Koslowski advised me he had not received his
information as yet�nd had placed a cail to Mr. Good, tivho told him
�����z,,__:} , to contact GRFl�. 11i1r. I�oslowski asked what GRFD had to do with
�:�M's IS� rating? He was advised to contact Chief Fink. �
Mre Koslowski and I discussed the 3� day extension and we both .
decided it was not necessary as the questions were g�neral in nature
for both Fire districts. I advised Mr. Koslowski that I would send a
letter to Mr. Good at�;1M explaining our decision. The letter* was
F'ede�al Expressed to l�JM on 718/97. *(Copy of letter attached).
� July 7, 1997--phoned Mr. Good at R:1M 1�:30, advised he was in Scot�sdale. I
left a message for him to contact me ASAI'. No response
� July 8, 1997--I paged Mr. Good at 10:45. Secreta from T:fM called me at
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, 1:00 and said Mr. Good would call me on Wednesday morning 7/9/97.
� July 9, 1997--12:45PM--Message from Chief Fink to call him regarding the
� le�ter sent to Mr. Good at�:IM. Mr. Ste�e Savage had received a faxed
copy of rny letter and sent a faxed capy to Chief Fink at G�FD. Chief
� Fink informed me that Steve Savage of�;1M now wanted a meeting with
me on Friday, July 11, 1997. I informed Chief Fink that I would check
with my Vice Chair,Ron Koslowski to see if he could also attend this
`����; meeting. Mr. Koslowski said he could attend this meeting. The meeting
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�'--�--�' �vas scheduled for 10:00 ?/17/97 at GRFD on Rancho Vistoso Blvd.
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FIRE ADVISORY B�ARD MINUTES 7/22/97
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C��'S REPORT CONTD. JULY 22 1997
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+ July 9, 1997--3:�=�PM,Mr. Good of R:�M returns m call. He '
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he was under the impression he had a 30 da extension. I told ' �
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I don t know why he assumed this, as everyone at the meetin 7 on
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/97 at�JM knew alI �nswers were due 7�1��97. He was aware
� � � that I was meeting w�ith 11rir. Savage on July I 1, 1997.
� July 1 l, 1997--9:30AM, Chief Fir� calls to advise mz Mr. Sav
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him he will not arrive now until 11:�0. Mr. Koslowski and I a
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wait for Mr. Savage. .
� Meeting started at 11:�0 with Mr. S ava e C�i ef Fi '
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and myself present. Mr. Savage, expressed his doubts and coneern
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about the Board being able to conduct an im artial in ui in
p q ry to servlces
rendered to Qro �alley residents. Mr. Koslowski and I both assur
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_ Mr. Savage w hav� n d�u t h h Fire A vis r Boar wiil
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n c n ir� � r ial s rv in h ir D r m n s. I a]so
advised Mr. Sava�e that Rural Metro was not actin in ood f ' '
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dealing with me or the�lre Advisory Board. The meetin conciuded
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at 12:0� with Mr. Savage pr�mising_t�iat the deadline of Jul 14 1997
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� with ans�vers to questions would be met. He asked if I would fax th
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Rd. Fire station, I said yes. I faxed this to Mr. Sava e's attention at
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12.3OPM on 7/11/97.
� Ju1y 14, 1997--Geor e Good of�:IM ca.�le�
� by rne at 11.3 0. Mr. Good returned
. my call at 3:�9PM. I explained to him that today answers were duz. He
said he had been�exceedingly busy and promised to have all informati
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for me on Friday, July 18, 1997.
� July 18, 1997--No answers from�:�M and n
ot even a phone call.
� July 22, 1997--1 Q:5 l AM--Geor e Good called to s e
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not at home at the time. I returned the call at 2:07PM. Mr. Good
state�i he had the inforxnation ready for me. I advised him he
� � was Iate and could brin�it to Board Meeting at 4;30PM. Mr. Good
apologized for the lateness. I informed him�:�M did not meet
the deadlines as agre�d and I did not app�reciate it.
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C�'S REPORT CONTD. JLJLY 22, 1997 �.
i G�NCLUSIO�: It is the opinion of the Fire Advisory Board Chair, Jan Kvancz,
. that Rurall�t�tro's.lack of cooperation in meetin��the dates a�reed u on
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by the�n, shows a disregard for the validity of the Fire Board and it's
� mission. Good faith by Rural Me�ro would have been to answer the
questionnaire regarding their operations in aro Valley.
Golder Ranch Fire District:All information as r� uested was rovided�to me on Frida �
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July 11, 1997 at 4:30PM by Chief Fink.
T�TAL BUS�tESS DAYS T� PI2�'�IDE �NF�T�IATI�I�I
T� T� FI� ADV�S���BOA�2D FItOI���T��E �6, 1997:
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Rural Metro------25 Days (July 4th excluded)
Golder Ranch Fire Dist------18 Days (July 4th exclude�i �
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FIRE ADVIS4RY B�ARD MINUTES 7/22/97
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R � METRO: 6l 16197 Meeting 9AI�rI 2�97-12�2---1VIa ee Rd. ��
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PRESENT: Ja,n Kvancz, Chair Fire Adviso Bd� Kevin Keel •
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George T.A. Good, Admin. Chief�:�M; John Karolzak Medical
Services Chief R:1M; Scott R. Miller, Fire Chief�;II1,i
R 11�TR0 Y�AR FO�D: �THERE:
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BOARD �F DIRECT�RS: �
PRESIDENT: VP:
CEO:
�i�i�3AT % 4F BUDGET IS SPENT O�t ADVERTISING PER YR:
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ARE ALL EMPLOYEES S HOLDERS:
FIRE�IGHTER� AL S� S H�LDERS: �
WHO INSTITUTES POLICY F4R FIREFIGHTER�:
- WHO DE�IDES ON TERRITORY TQ BE SERVED:
DQ YOU OV�JN BLDG AT MAGEE AND PALLISADES DR:
D� YOU O�FIRE EQUIPMENT & A,MBULANC�E:
AGE OF FIRE EQUIP:--- A1�IBULANCE:---
DOES A1�IBLJLANCE�i.AVE STATE OF ART EQUIP FQR 1�EART ATTACKS:---
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� FIRE ADVIS�RY BDARD MINUTES 7/22/97
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O.V. H�MES: 9501 POP. 22, 740
R.M. 7,121 HOMES---3/� GRFD---2180 HOMES---1/4
# O�HOMES THAT SUBSCRIBE T� R�M IN 4.V.:---
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% OF INCREASE S PERIYR:---
RATE C�CARGED BASED Ul'�N:---
DOES THIS INCLUDE A.MBULANCE SERVICE:---
# OF BUSIl�tESSES THAT SUBSCRIBE TO �JM IN�.V.:---
� IS THERE A COl�2MERCIAL R.ATE FOR BUSINESSES:---
� V��RE DO I1�10NIES COLLECTED FROM SUBSCRIPTI4NS �0?
�'�--��� LOCAL �R NATIONAL?
S TAFFLNG AT MAGEE RD:---. #TIREFIGHTER� AT MAGEE RD:--- �
FIRE �ZARSHALL II�]��.V.: �
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��[JLANCE CAL.LS STA.FF: E1VIT? PA�A-�DICS?
BASE H�SP. N.W. FOR A.MBtJLANCE SERVICE IN �.V:---
DOES �:1M ADHERE TO THE 199� U�ORM FIRE CaDE:--�
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�:1�MEMBER aF UFC:---
FIREFIG�-ITERS MEMBER OF ANY t.JNI�N:---
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MLJTtJAL AID 4R BACKUP WITH�,�H4M IN O.V.:
BAC�UP A1�IBULANCE SUPPORT IN O.V.: .
LIST OF ALL C.ALLS IN 0.V. FROM 7/1/96-6/30/97?
� FIRE WITH RESPONSE TIMES?
�- A11�iBULANCE WITH RESP�NSE TIMES? �
DO YO�U O��N K�RD'S A1tiIBtJL�NCE:---
- V�J'I-3AT AB OUT S 4U ST A.MB ULANCE:---
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#FII�ETRUCK STAFF: � �
SINCE YOU��R.E A FOR PROFIT ORG. ARE YOUR 1VIEETII�GS OPEN TO
THE PUBLIC:---
t�►RE Y�UR FINANCIAL REC�RDS OPEN FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION:---
H�W LONG D� YOU KEEP YOUR FINANCIAL & SUBSCRIPTI�Itit I�EC�RDS?
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Mr. George T.A. Good
Adrriin. Chief, Public Information �fficer
Rural/Metro Fire Department .
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Tucson, AZ 85?Q�
: Dear Mr. Good:
A$ the liaison for Rural/Metro to the �ro Valle Fire l�d�viso Bo '
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letter�s a rem�nder of the quest�ons that st�ll need to be answered. On une
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16, 1997 I met with you and other Rural/Metro personnel re ardin the formation
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and miss�on of the F�re�idvzsory Board. .
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operation pertaining_to Qro Vall��r. The same questions v�rere given to Galder
Ranch Fire Dept. sa that the.�dvis�ry �oard can athe�r facts and information
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for both departm�ents regard�ng their operation in Oro Valle . It,v�vas a r�ed
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by all R/M personnel attending th�s meet�ng that the all �nform�t�on would � .
}ae completed b�July 14, 199? and forwarded to me. The information w�ill be
presented to all Advisory Board members for stud� at the ul Z0, 1997 Board
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meeting. It�11 not become part of th��public record until th�Au ust meetin ,
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after all Board members have had t�me to rev-�ew this informat�on.
At the June 24, 199� Ad�riso Board m�etin Vic � ' '
rY g, e Chair, Ron Kosloursk� asked
, you for the IS� rating for R/M, you informed him that�ou would send this
rating ta hin�th� next da�r. Ta date he has not received the information as
pramised. Mr. Koslowski advised me that he,c�vas in contact v�ri#h
you t,wo
. weeks after the June 24, 1997 Board meeting, as to v�rhy he had not received �
this information. You advised him to contact Chi�f ohn Fink f
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F�re D�st. to ex�l�ain wh�RJM �s reluctant ta release the IS� ratin to the Fire
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'I have been informed b Chief ohn Fink of the Golder ' � ' .
Y J Ranch�'ir� Dist., that
R/M wants an extension of 30 days to ansvver all outstandin u�estions. Since we
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are merely gathering facts at th�s poYnt, an extension to the qu�stlons subm�tted,
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: Listed below are the c�uestions that are a�rvaitin answer : �
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: Page #I---What % of bud et is s ent on advertisin er ' ?
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. � � What is the operating budget to serve U.V.?
: Page #2--# Of homes that s�bscribe to R/M in 4.V.? �
; # Of business that subscribe to R/M in O,�l'.?
# Is there a commercial rate for businesses and do ou ��
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: . follo�cr this rate or are concessions made? �
: �Page #3 Mutual aid or backup (fire) with wharn for O.V.? Please na .
me.
Backup ambulance support for �.V.? Please name. �
Fire response times in 4.V. to inclu�de time �f call & res onse time?
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Ambulance response times in �.V. to include time of call &
..�-�,-_.._.,.��' response tim�?
. _ How long da you keep your financial &subscription r+ecords?
Also ne,eded is�the IS4 ratin romis�d to the Board a '
g P t the Jun� 2 4, 19 9 7 meeting.
We vc�ould also a�pr�ciate a copy of the 1995 and 199? rate sch�dules. You ave
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� me a 1996 schedule and we are comparing rates for three years.
If you have an�questions lease feel fre� to cantact m . ' '
p e Your coaperaf�on�n
providing the information requested to the Fire Adviso Board is a reciated.
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an Kvancz, Chair
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FI RE ADVI S�RY BDARD M I N UTES 7I22/97
-- , July 22,1997 .
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Jan Kvancz,Chair.
O.V. Fire Advisory Board
Dear Jan: �
I feel compelled to write this letter to express my�frustrations with trying to gather the
information I need to complete my assessment for the Fire Advlsory Board for the Town of Oro
Valley.
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When we met with Mr: Savage on July 11,1997, he assured me that I would be able to receive all
materials I need from NI�. George Good in a timely manner. I called Mr. Good on July 14,1997
anc�requested information on services they provide, cost of those services, and a letter that they
send out to new customers that they are trying to have subscribe. I also requested a co�npiete
document of the I.S.O. rating for RuraUMetro since the one I received was a sir�gle page with no
indication on the page who this rating was for. I rece�ved a call late afternoon on July 15,1997
telling me Mr. Good received my message and would get me all information required before the
next meeting. To date, I have received nothing(except the original one page I.S.O. rating).
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~ Qn July 2�, 1997, I received a message at 3:30pm that Mr. Good had the information I requested.
I le�t a message for Mr. Good on July 21,1997, and another message On 3uly 22, 1997 stating I
would like to get the i�formation and I could possible pick it up. I have not been able to pick up �
the information due to prior commitments.
I do not know why RuraUMetro can not provide me with the necessary information I have
r�quested in a timely ma�er,but it has placed me in a position where I cannot co�nplete the task
given to me. I do not know�vhat steps are left for me to take. I fe�l any information received
now will cause a delay in making our decisions.
. I apol�gize to you,the othe�board members, and to the Mayor and Cauncil, for not having the
information we need,but I feel it is out of my hands.
Sincerely,
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Ron Koslowski, Vice Chair
�.V Fire Advisory Board
cc: Fire Advisory Board members
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